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Offline amdragon

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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2010, 14:09 »
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Americans have really come up very fast to be on par with the other expat teams. pretty good show from your guys if I do say so myself.

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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2010, 21:37 »
yea they did. what happened?

could'nt take coming in behind other boats so they tried to go down with the boat??? ;)

a little distasteful there.

From what I saw, the NTU boat was doing their stretching after the race, then the whole boat just flipped ! lol. funny.

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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2010, 21:39 »
yea they did. what happened?

could'nt take coming in behind other boats so they tried to go down with the boat??? ;)

They came in second, if I am not wrong, btw.

Did your team manage to win anything?

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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2010, 22:19 »
In reply to Rudder Out's post.

The pontoon start works on 2 aspects. One - the
drummer will hold onto a line. Two - the dragon
boat tail will be held by the Start Aligner. This two
will guarantee the boat's alignment.

To adjust the pointing of the boat, the steersman
can ask the Start Aligner to swing the tail to the
left or right to point the boat. This is way much
easier then the dragon boat crew having to adjust
the boat on their own.

Usually after the first stroke the rudder will be back
into the water. So control is still maintained



 
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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2010, 16:30 »
yea they did. what happened?

could'nt take coming in behind other boats so they tried to go down with the boat??? ;)

They came in second, if I am not wrong, btw.

Did your team manage to win anything?
CHILL bro, I was just joking okay! Well, to be frank, my team did not win any races, but it was a very good learning experience being there, like dont do stretching exercise while the boat is still moving! :)
Btw, NTU came in 3rd for that race..

Offline Rudder Out

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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2010, 11:37 »
In reply to Rudder Out's post.

The pontoon start works on 2 aspects. One - the
drummer will hold onto a line. Two - the dragon
boat tail will be held by the Start Aligner. This two
will guarantee the boat's alignment.

To adjust the pointing of the boat, the steersman
can ask the Start Aligner to swing the tail to the
left or right to point the boat. This is way much
easier then the dragon boat crew having to adjust
the boat on their own.

Usually after the first stroke the rudder will be back
into the water. So control is still maintained



 

I'm not sure if you've experienced it firsthand before. The line that the drummer holds on to only prevents the boat from turning in one direction, so if the wind or current is in the other direction, it doesn't help at all.

The line that they provide is exactly 12 meters long, which they claim is long enough for the KTH boats, but they don't realize it restricts the positioning of the boat.

Sure, you can ask the start aligner to swing the tail left or right, but there's a limit to the extent it can be moved. Also, I'm sure many experienced steersmen will agree with me that the position of the boat within the lane is as important as the direction the boat is pointing in, since it will determine factors such as wake from other boats, and whether you need to perform otherwise unnecessary maneuvers to move away from buoys.

One of the roles of steersmen is to allow their paddlers to concentrate fully on paddling without having to worry about such factors. I'm sure all steersmen would want to give their paddlers the best start alignment possible.

That said, having the start pontoon is still better than what they did for PM cup last year. I pity all the steersmen who had to hold on to the rudder and the line at the same time.

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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #56 on: April 02, 2010, 23:48 »
yea they did. what happened?

could'nt take coming in behind other boats so they tried to go down with the boat??? ;)

They came in second, if I am not wrong, btw.

Did your team manage to win anything?
CHILL bro, I was just joking okay! Well, to be frank, my team did not win any races, but it was a very good learning experience being there, like dont do stretching exercise while the boat is still moving! :)
Btw, NTU came in 3rd for that race..

i'm sorry indiandragon, but NTU came in 2nd.
RP came in 3rd.
i think you really have to get your facts right before posting stuff.

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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2010, 07:48 »
Bro Rudder Out,

My experience with the start pontoon was in Hong Kong, Penang, Germany, Australia, Macau, Penang again. It worked over there but I guessed that was because there was hardly any crosswind that can cause the boat to drift or pivot.

Bedok Reservoir (BR) is notorious for crosswinds due to its longer axis sitting athwart the prevailing north-eastern wind track. BR is also notorious for downpressing gusts. These are basically short but strong gusts in the middle of BR (unfortunately where our racing lanes are). The evaporating water heated up the airspace above it, causing it to rise. This created an area of lower pressure that sucks in the cooler north-easterners thus inviting the gusts to come in. Not bad eh....still remembered my hydrology and climatology which I took in school so many moons ago..haha.

I understand that the only NSA familiar with the start pontoon is the S'pore Rowing Association. I think SDBA got them to do the pontoon in the previous years. I remembered the very first time it was used for dragon boat, there were sausage buoys for the drummer to hold. The general feedback for that was, it also drift with the wind, eventually screwing up alignment. Hence that was how the drummer hold line came about. (I know, I was unfortunately there -and got sucked into the discussion - when the argument about drifting buoys happened).

Its not ideal - I agree totally with you on that but I see it as a case of 'lan-lan'. Sure as hell beat floating start, hold buoy start, hands down. I believe untill something better comes along, its really a 'bo-pian' scenario. I do know for a fact that SDBA put in the funds to SSC to invest in their own start pontoon but as it was considered as non critical (since there are commercial ones available) it just aint gonna happen
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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2010, 22:37 »
Best DB start procedure I know of was a race in the US.

Each lane had it's own 5m long floating dock placed PARALLEL to the lane (5 lanes total).  The boats came into position and the paddlers on the dock side just held on.  No fatigue on the crew.  A marking on each dock which was aligned earlier was then lined up with the front seat of each boat.  Then, the boats were pushed away from the dock with PVC poles into their lanes at the same time all perfectly lined up and the start was immediately called before the boats could drift out of alignment.  No boats had any forward or backwards movement at the start.

It would be nice to see something as effective here.  But, like someone said above, the perpendicular starting dock is a hell of a lot better than a free floating start.
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Re: MR500 Predictions
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2010, 16:05 »
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